Re: Courtly behavior (fwd)

[AEdric the Grene <AEdric@mindspring.com>]

Poster: AEdric the Grene <AEdric@mindspring.com>

At 03:17 PM 2/22/99 -0600, Craig Levin wrote:
>Unless you're using the old classification of Painter (whose
>study has been cast in doubt by the works of Barber and Keen),
>it's not really all that easy to tease the two apart. Certainly,
>by the fourteenth century, when Froissart was writing his
>_Chroniques_, a work as unlike a love poem as anything I've ever
>read, the codes of amour courtois and knighthood are inextricably
>intertwined.

I by no means admit to being an expert on either, but from what I have
read, I've noticed the rules that have been gathered or proclaimed for each
do not seem to imply any overlap.  As I believe I said previously, though,
the two did develop into known concepts together.  In any case, it seems
quite possible to follow the Code of Chivalry without getting into Courtly
Love.  I fail to see why one must automatically demand the other.  No
argument, no insult, I just do not see it.

>> certainly we should expect equal Chivalry from all to the best of each
>> gentle's abilities.  If this seems improper for Period to you, then maybe
>> you gain immediare insight into my argument above.
>
>"From each according to his/her abilities, to each according to
>his/her needs"? Sounds like Marxism to me...

Say what?  That's not what I said.  Perhaps you misread the statement.
There's nothing about needs, but there is something about abilities varying
by person, yes.  I assume you did not mean to put words in my mouth and
attempt to make it look like I'm trying to inject some socialistic nonsense
in the Middle Ages.  That's certainly not what I'm saying at all.  All, I'm
saying is that the SCA obviously expects courteous, if not Chivalrous,
behaviour from its members, and definitely Chivalry from all Knights (It's
a req for Knighthood, after all), some of whom happen to be female.  That
seems more like basic equality than socialism.  Or maybe you believe that
basic equality is socialism?  Please clarify your meaning.

Anyway, I suppose I could have just dropped the whole "abilities" phrase
anyway.  I was only thinking about physical differences in what people can
do.  And, honestly, that doesn't affect Chivalry.


AEdric the Grene
House Howling Mouse

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