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Poster: "David H Ritterskamp" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Denise McMahon <email@example.com> wrote:
>Poster: Denise McMahon <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Greg Lindahl wrote:
>> Poster: "Greg Lindahl" <email@example.com>
>> > Well, baronies have definate advantages over shires, a titled
head of the
>> > group to rally around.
>> This may be an advantage to you and your group, but I suspect that
>> many current residents of shires disagree with you. People are
>> different, you know.
>Your pardon, my lord, but, actually, I don't agree with you either,
>Leifr. I don't think that it is a necessary advantage to a group that
>there be someone "in charge" *with a title* for that group to rally
>around. You don't really need a titled person... teams don't. Teams
>their own identity as a team to give them cohesiveness... much like
>shires have their identity as a shire.
>This ambiguous titled person might make some processes easier within
>group and could also make other processes a heck of a lot more
>Some shires in Atlantia have done without them for years and seem to
>doing just fine.
>Rowan Berran McDowell
>Seneschale of Stierbach
I have to toss this in, since this subject is of interest to me...
Quick, name all the active shires.
Now, name all the baronies.
Which do you know better?
There are those out there who know both. However, I for one don't. I
know most of the baronies and d**n few of the shires. I didn't even
know that Wilmington (Seareach) wasn't part of the Barony of
Windmaster's Hill until somebody told me they were forming their own
barony, and even then I just thought it was a canton. Didn't know it
was a shire.
Shires do not AS A RULE have the representation/noticeability that
Baronies do. How many events is Seareach known for? One. Sheep
Raids. Never been to it. Going this time. Heard it's fun.
How many events is/was Crannog Mor known for? One. Spring Thaw.
Hasn't been held in awhile, I think.
Those are the only two shires I know of. Everything else in NC/SC is
taken up by Baronial status. I don't even know the Shires in the
north, but I know Dun Carraig, Lochmere, and Caer Mear, which is doing
pretty well for somebody who doesn't get up there enough. I don't
necessarily know the exact geographical areas, but at least I have a
NAME to associate with a person or group. Can't say the same for
shires. They just don't stick out.
How many events is Windmaster's Hill known for? Sacred Stone? Black
Diamond? A MINIMUM of two each; Black Diamond has Ice Castles and
Assessment; Windmaster's Hill has Boat Wars, Ymir (and I'm sure I'm
leaving at least one or two out of that list); Sacred Stone has Novice
Tourney, Baronial Birthday, Phoenix' Eye, Auxillium et Concillium,
Boar Hunt, Siege of Troy, etc. Nottinghill Coill has Feast of Thirty,
Pennsic Pauper's Potluck, etc.
Possibly, part of the problem is that shire-level events don't seem to
have the...sangfroid? panache? OOPMH that makes you WANT to go.
Crannog Mor isn't that far away from where I live, and I attended
college there, and still have friends in the area, and yet I just
don't bother. I have some very old friends in Hindscroft, which is
even closer, and yet I don't even think of Hindscroft in SCA terms,
because it's a shire. See? I forgot about them completely, or else
I'd have listed them a couple of paragraphs ago.
You can argue the point all you want and say that representation
doesn't matter, etc., but the simple truth is that it does. I'm as
active or more so than most people I know, and if *I* can't remember
about shires, do you think the average SCAdian is going to? I
remember people and places based on the level of interest I have in
them, which is directly related to the amount of time I spend or even
contemplate spending around them. That's why I know Sacred Stone,
Nottinghill Coill, Black Diamond, Caer Mear, Windmaster's Hill, and
Hidden Mountain, and I don't really think about Crannog Mor, Seareach,
and Hindscroft. They're just not VISIBLE. It's entirely possible
that their lack of visibility is directly related to their lack of
events, which is directly related to their lack of enthusiasm, which
is directly related to their lack of visibility, etc.
And before the Hindscroft and Crannog Mor and Seareach people get on
my case for calling them less visible, remember; I spent four years in
Crannog Mor and I saw it all happen. This isn't just coming from me;
this is coming from listening to the Crannog Mor populace and seeing
what happened to Hindscroft after they broke away from Sacred Stone.
(And not even knowing about Wilmington in the first place!)
Now, it's possible that I'm a ridiculously atypical case and everybody
else is better off at remembering people/places. But I doubt it.
Food for thought (enough to choke on!)
Ld. Jonathan Blackbow
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