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Re: Pennsic Letter
Poster: "H L. Falls" <email@example.com>
Continuing my discussion with Lord Kevin:
> > > Let's clarify that: "The point of Pennsic is to have a really good time
> > > with a really big group of people in the Society for Creative
> > > Anachronism."
> > >
> > > Would you agree that is still correct?
> > Actually, no. While hosted by/under the auspices of the SCA, Pennsic
> > has a *loooonnnggg* tradition of being open to other, loosely related
> > groups (Tuchux, Marklanders, and others), and indeed dates back to a time
> > when the SCA itself was a whole lot more relaxed and laid back. I
> > personally (and yes, this is just my unsupported opinion) think that it's
> > way too late to try to put this particular genie back in the bottle...
> Tradition, maybe. I don't know much there. However, the SCA is
> sponsoring it, and covering the insurance so we don't destroy the
> Cooper's nice campground. You can't turn an Eric Clapton concert into
> something else just because you go and you don't like the music. Sure,
> you don't have to listen, but it's still a Clapton concert.
Well, I've never been to a Clapton concert, but I would *hope* that
they wouldn't throw you out for wearing a Jimmy Buffett t-shirt, or
anything else that wasn't illegal and didn't interfer with others'
ability to enjoy the concert. And, elderly geezer that I am, I tend
to a fairly liberal interpretation of "doesn't interfer", particularly
for such a huge and complex event as Pennsic...
> > > > Are you really going to tell someone who paid $80 plus whatever they
> > > > invested into camping supplies that they have to leave the game because you
> > > > don't like how they look/act/etc.?
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, yes. $80 doesn't buy them any rights.
> > >
> > >
> > > If I want to drive my car at stupid-fast speeds, I should sign up on the
> > > drag list at Old Dominion Speedway.
> > Personally, I think your analogy would be a bit closer to the mark
> > if you were being arrested/banned from the road because somebody didn't
> > like your paint job...
> Uh-uh. Kilmeny mentioned "don't like how they look/ACT/etc." My
> analogy was addressing the action part, just like speeding on the road.
> I guess my post was covering all points of the seneschals' review all at
> once. Sorry 'bout that.
Then again, Kilmeny did distinguish between "crimes against laws or
people" and "crimes of fashion or taste". I don't think anybody is
arguing to ignore the former, which is what I see stupid-fast speeding
as being analogous to. It's sitting under beach umbrellas and wearing
aloha-print t-tunics that, while tacky and distracting, aren't deserving
of "courts" and "reviews by the kingdom senechal", in my (our???) opinion.
> > [more snippage...]
> > > "I want you to
> > > stay and have fun with us, but I want you to wear something different to
> > > play with us."
> > Actually, I quite agree. And I think "courts" and such are the wrong way
> > to approach this goal.
> Well yeah, but they've said they don't intend the
> courts/review/inquisition to include garb infractions. They've just
> given people an official avenue to say, "Garb is more appropriate than
> blue jeans here."
Yeah, I think a big part of the whole uproar got kicked off by
the fact that they discribe the operation of the Senechal's Court,
then go immediately to a half-page discussion of dress code before
discussing the things that the court is really meant to cover. So
we end up arguing *past* each other...
> > > Perio.. per.. periodi... how do you pronounce that? ;)
> > How about perioidity??? :-)
> Perioddity? :) A good Landsknecht is full of perioddity! :)
[-: SNERT!!! :-]
> > You know that, Kilmeny knows that, I know that... Problem is when
> > some people think that "fun" means beating up on other people for not
> > conforming to their notions of "Period"...
> That'll happen no matter the rule or the event. There's jerks
> everywhere. Someone posted something about autocrat's staff yelling at
> someone buying garb? Sad, but there you have it.
Yeah, but here (despite disclaimers to the contrary) they give the
impression that they're giving said jerks official recognition. Hence
> > > Pennsic is not a public venue, it's a private party.
> > Ummm, well... no, not really. If they were holding a *private* party
> > their own back yard, yeah... Carrying your logic to its absurd conclusion,
> > they could declare Pennsic "Elizabethian only" if they wanted...
> Same difference. Whether it's their own back yard, or they rent someone
> else's. And yes, if they posted rules in advance and made it
> Elizabethan only, they could do it. There's a yearly private
> Elizabethan party held somewhere. People in my household go, I don't.
> I don't do Elizabethan, so I'm not invited. :)
> FWIW, it's not an SCA event, but the same premise holds. I wouldn't go
> to this party wearing a Norman tunic.
No, as you note it's *not* an SCA event. If it were, they would
*have* to let in anyone wearing "an attempt at pre-seventeenth century
clothing", including your Norman tunic. They could *ask* people to
abide by the theme of the event (and I have, out of courtesy, skipped
events where my "generic viking" would have jarred), but as long as
it's an official SCA event, covered by SCA insurance, etc., they
couldn't *demand* and enforce it. Which is, I believe, a major reason
that it's *not* held under SCA auspices.
> > > Well, they've obviously modified the terminology on this one. A
> > > "seneschals' review" sounds more appropriate, and better communicates
> > > what I think their purpose is to be.
> > I dunno, a rose by any other name...
> Careful, they're using that new V-chip to watch you now....
> If it'd been called a review first before a court, I think it'd be a big
> difference to you.
Quite likely. *How* something is said is often as important as *what*
is said... Still, I've seen authority abused often enough that even that
makes me a trifle nervous.
> > > If all this can be done with minimal offense to the offenders, increase
> > > peace, love and happy chocolate - and maintain attendance, fantastic.
> > *HEY!!!* Chocolate's not period!!!! [G,D,RLH!!!]
> As a drink it is. "Happy" doesn't have to mean "solid". :)
Now aren't you glad I'm not an *official* authenticop??? :)
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