Re: Fwd: [C.SacredStone] Re: Shire meeting at 12th Night

[Felix Batton <fcbatton@bellsouth.net>]

Poster: Felix Batton <fcbatton@bellsouth.net>

Good gentles,

I received the attached post by way of our baronial list, and thought that I
pose the question to this forum. Are shires purely for political purposes, and
do they represent an upgrade from canton status? We in the south have had less
experience in the change from being a canton within a barony, to that of a
shire, so I thought some insight could be gained from our northern cousins who
have had much more experience in this arena.

I want to stress that what I am asking is specific to the validity of Shires and
politics, not if The Guardians should make this change. What do you think?

Syr William

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> >Dear Rixende,
> >
> >Would that Atlantia worked that simply!  I know I'd prefer it.  Sadly,
> shires
> >in Atlantia are more of a political tool than an attempt at legitimate
> growth.
> >
> >Here, cantons remain cantons because they want to be a part of the
> barony
> >whole.  Thus, while retaining their group identity, they contribute not
> only
> >to something larger than themselves, but firmly establish that they are
> a part
> >of a family.  Sacred Stone has always been the archetype of this type
> of
> >family barony.  Whenever shire-issues arise, and they do periodically,
> it has
> >always been at the urging of individuals with political agendas which,
> sadly,
> >are self-serving.  I pray that the Guardian situation is different,
> certainly.
> >
> >It has been my long experience in Atlantia, and as former Sacred Stone
> baron
> >and seneschal, especially, that shire  movements are the product of a
> canton
> >feeling somehow disenfranchised.  Rather than push separatist
> sentiments
> >resulting in a fracturing of our barony, I prefer to tackle the harder
> issues
> >and restore communications and, hopefulyl, bring our barony closer
> together as
> >a result.
> >
> >For far too long, the Guardians, our largest canton has been isolated
> and cut-
> >off from the Barony.  It's a feeling that has resulted in myself and
> others
> >not enjoying Guardian meetings and imposing our own sort of personal
> >isolationism.  I see the error in that and look forward to new, and
> renewed,
> >extensive involvement in all things Guardian.  As a former Guardian
> seneschal
> >myself, as my home branch, and as the group is one of the founding
> cantons of
> >Sacred Stone, it holds a special place in my heart.  It's time for all
> of the
> >exiled Guardians to return.
> >
> >If for no other reason, this shire issue has been of great value.
> >
> >BRAN
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 1/8/99 9:39:55 AM EST, rixende@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> ><< Baron Bran,
> >
> > With all due respect, I do not share your opinion that moving to Shire
> > status would be a deterioration.  Granted, I have come from another
> > Kingdom, and my point of view is very different than many.  But, to my
> > knowledge (correct me if I am wrong) Atlantia is the only Kingdom that
> > keeps it's groups as Cantons.  I know that in both Meridies and
> > Ansteorra, a Canton is seen as more of an incipient group than a full
> > group.  Once a Canton has proven it's ability to stand on it's own two
> > feet then, by the will of the Crown, it is elevated to Shire status.
> >>
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