Re: Source of Legitmacy

[Matthew Allen Newsome <mnewsome@warren-wilson.edu>]

Just a quick request.  I have been playing in the SCA for neigh three 
years (...counts in his head, yeah, that's right), and have played out of 
kingdom once, in Trimaris.  My limited knowledge of other kingdoms comes 
from a 1989 map of the Knowne World, that does not include Acre.  Could 
someone please tell me where this kingdom is located , and why it is a 
"Knowne World" kingdom, but not a "Laurel" kingdom?  I'm sure there are 
others out there ignorant on this point as well.
Aye,
Eogan

On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Lance Harrop wrote:

> 
> Duke Finnvarr writes:
> 
> > I don't think the contrasts drawn here are pure.  One would be a fool to say 
> > that "legitimacy of Acknowledgement" is not a very important part of Royal 
> > Legitimacy.  However, I think that "legitimacy of a given set of monarchs in 
> > the SCA" also exists.  
> > 
> > When Acre broke off from the East Kingdom (which then included Atlantia if I 
> > recall correctly), the King of Acre-to-be had legitimacy of acknowledgement 
> > for those who left with him, but not for those whom he left behind.  However, 
> > he most certainly lacked legitimacy in the eyes of every other kingdom of the 
> > SCA.  This may have had something to do with actions or rulings of the Board, 
> > but more important was the fact that no other monarchs in the SCA recognized 
> > Acre as being either "the real East Kingdom" or as "part of the SCA."  And if 
> > reports I heard are accurate, Acre quickly began to diverge from the SCA in 
> > the way they played.
> > 
> > So though I agree that legitimacy is most immediately decided within a 
> > kingdom, people outside the kingdom have a role, too.  In the past the Board, 
> > the Steward or the Society Seneschal have made rulings on the legitimacy of 
> > various potential monarchs; but they don't have the only voice.
> > 
> > I disagree with Liefr that this "generalized Society interest" in the 
> > legitimacy of monarchs or the selection method for monarchs is rightfully 
> > called "Legitimacy of the BoD or of the SCA, Inc."  I think the tradition of 
> > selecting our monarchs in a given way is a foundation of the SCA, and this 
> > tradition could exist in a Society quite differently organized than the one 
> > we have now; in other words in a Society where the SCA, Inc. did not "own the 
> > game" or try to act like it did.
> > 
> What his Grace writes about, I happen to call the Laurel Concert.  In the 
> Society, the Thirteen Laurel Kingdoms agree to recognize the awards, 
> grants, patents and patent level peerages granted by each.  Acre, 
> argueably a Knowne World Kingdom, falls out of this definition because 
> its peerages are not recognized by the Laurel Kingdoms, nor does it 
> recognize the Laurel Kingdom peerages.
> 
> The right of one Laurel Kingdom to have a say on the method of choice for 
> another Kingdom's Crown is dependent upon the fact that the peers made by 
> that (Cow paddie) Crown are as legitimate as those made by a Crown 
> by-right-of-heavy-combat (hypothetically).
> 
> I believe that such a right exists, but not that it should be defended by 
> the Corporation and the BoD.  If any kingdom abuses the Laurel Concert, 
> it is, sadly, Atlantia.  Yet I have never seen the BoD show any evidence 
> that they concern themselves with this matter.
> 
> I do not believe that this right is so absolute as to override the 
> populace's right to acquire the best Crown to perform its duties.
> 
> In Service
> Leifr Johansson
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