RE: Discuss: Heraldry question

["Toscano, James" <James.Toscano@den.mmc.com>]

Hi

I also happen to have been granted that title.  I was once informed by 
Herald that the title was not proper because it was not period. He 
stipulated that I must not use it.  I politely informed the fellow that the 
Crown (Kane and Muirgen) had seen fit to call me that.  When the Crowns told 
me I could no longer be called that then I would not be.

We use titles in the SCA to display our awards.  I feel that to be now 
concerned with THL after all of the other anachronisms that we have borders 
a little on the need to rethink your position.

 We give peerages for making our game better, but the titles themselves were 
not used in period.  We enoble through awarding arms to people who have 
chose devout peasant personas.  We completely ignore the impact of religion 
on the time period we are studying.   With all of these Anachronisms how can 
we then be worried about a simple GOA with the title THL.

In my humble opinion these are the rules that we have made for our game. 
 With my simple GOA I will continue to serve Atlantia, I will continue to 
fight, I will have more fun than you can shake a stick at.  I will not 
however be worried about upsetting a herald.  If he don't like the rule go 
to the Crown and get it changed.

In Service

The Honorable Lord Giacomo Vincenti di Firenze
QOC
Provost AdE
CSS
Its a good thing I don't have to spell that stuff all the way out.......


Reply of eMail from: Michael_Ford@notesgw.hns.com, dated: 1996/06/11 16:53
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Greetings everyone,

     I just read a post from someone whose title is "The Honourable Lord..." 
and cleverly deleted the message before realizing that I had a question.  He 
stated that he uses the title since it annoys the heralds saying it isn't 
done

in Atlantia.  I know that the title is not given in this Kingdom and believe
it is a western thing(West, Caid and An Tir I believe and maybe a couple of 
others).  Just because Atlantia does not give this title does that mean that 
I

as a herald do not use this honorific to introduce him on the tourney field 
or

in court?  Or do we use the title since it is what was given him by another 
Kingdom?  My inclination is to use the title since it would be rude of me to 
second guess any Royalty.  Any thoughts, please?  Thank you in advance.

Sean MacKay
Once Pursuivante Extrordinaire trying to get back into doing heraldry.
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