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RE: Re: Discuss: Heraldry question

At 07:57 AM 6/12/96 -0700, you wrote:

> If our Queen says its so then it is.  This is saving only the Laws of the 
>US, local laws and Corpora.  Welcome to the Monarchy baby, its our game we 
>chose it.

You left out Board policies (though perhaps you mentally folded those into

But the point Herveus made, as did I, is that this is NOT an accepted title
per Corpora.  

What Herveus was being too tactful to say is that Corpora specifically puts
the heralds in charge of determining which titles are licit for use in the

"Laurel Sovereign of Arms. The Laurel Sovereign of Arms (Laurel) is the
principal heraldic officer of the Society and the head of the College of
Arms. Laurel is responsible for fostering the study and practice of
heraldry, and for establishing rules and making determinations regarding
names and armory, royal and noble titles, and geographical designations to
be approved for use in the Society. (See Appendix C.)"

And later:

"Standard and Alternate Titles. The Society's standard titles are defined in
Appendix C. The Society recognizes that equivalent titles from other
cultures may be more appropriate for individual members. Such alternate
titles may be used by those entitled to the rank or award associated with
them, provided the College of Arms has ruled that the title in question is
an equivalent for the rank or award in question, OR the Board has
specifically granted permission for an alternate usage which has not been
ruled an equivalent by the College of Arms. Board rulings apply only to the
situations for which they were made, and do not provide a precedent for
related alternate titles. All standard and alternate titles are specific to
the Society, and convey no rank or precedence outside it. They may be used
in a Society context only by those who have achieved the appropriate rank or
award within the Society. (See IV.C.)

            4. Styles and Unrecognized Titles. Names and terms that imply
relationships between Society members (such as apprentice, page, squire,
etc.) or that carry vocational connotations (religious, military, scholarly,
etc.) may be used in the Society on an informal basis, subject to the
following restrictions:

                  a. They must not assert or imply noble rank or territorial

                  b. They must not be offensive in themselves or in the
context in which they are used.

                  c. They may carry no precedence and must not be used in
any manner which would suggest that they do so.

In Appendix C the following titles are listed: King, Queen, Prince,
Princess, Crown Prince, Crown Princess, Duke, Duchess, Count, Countess,
Viscount, Viscountess, Master, Mistress, Sir, Baron (of placename), Baroness
(of placename), (Court) Baron, (Court) Baroness, Lord, Lady.  

This appendix also specifically defines the titles of Lord and Lady as
"Basic titles for persons who hold Arms by Award or Grant."  Thus the use of
the simple title of "Lord" or "Lady" for those who bear arms by grant is in
fact decreed by Corpora.

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