Re: [Fwd: Re: Courtliness, SCA, Cloved Fruit]

[rmhowe <magnusm@ncsu.edu>]

Poster: rmhowe <magnusm@ncsu.edu>

Mark.S Harris wrote:
> 
> > >I can say with confidence one SCA tradition that is pretty widely practiced
> > >and is NOT based in courtly love in ANY way is Cloved Fruit.  Don't be
> > >fooled.  I've done the research.
> > >
> > >Andrew
> >
> > Yes this is a made up SCA custom.  Mistress Alizaunde de Bregeuf in the
> > East Kingdom claims to have invented it many years ago for an event,
> > intending it as a simple entertainment for that single event.  She was very
> > surprised to return from a year out of the country and find it an
> > established custom!  But then, the SCA started out as a single party thrown
> > for Mistress Diana Listmaker....another example of an idea too good to
> > happen just once.
> 
> Yes, this is the case. For several messages from Mistress Alizaunde de Bregeuf
> as well as more info, see this file in the ENTERTAINMENT section of my
> Florilegium files:
> cloved-fruit-msg  (14K)  3/ 7/96    Period cloved fruit. Origin of the SCA game.
> 
> They can be found at: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/rialto/rialto.html
> 
> > WARNING!  In some locations there is a custom that if a lady is presented
> > with a fruit with a single remaining clove in it and accepts, she is
> > implying that she will accompany the lord home that evening.  THIS IS NOT
> > UNIVERSAL!  It is not, as far as I know, a custom in the Eastern Seaboard
> > kingdomes.  DO NOT assume any lady has knowlege of it!
> 
> This is the first time I have ever heard of this "tradition". I do not believe
> this is known of in Ansteorra.
> 
> Another warning, some folks have become so disenchanted with this game, that
> when offered a cloved fruit they will pull out a clove as in pulling the
> pin from a grenade, yell and throw it as far as possible. This is apparently
> particularly practiced in the Barony of Bjornsborg (San Antonio), Ansteorra.
> Personally, I think this is rude and that there are better ways to handle
> things.
> 
> Lord Stefan li Rous
> Barony of Bryn Gwlad
> Ansteorra
> stefan@texas.net
> 
> > Jocetta
> > Joyce A. Baldwin
> > Diva Extraordinaire

Her Little Excellency, Baroness Anne de Silva, has expressed her
own thoughts on this small matter:

If one is presented with a cloven fruit containing the last clove 
it _Obviously_ implies that the presentee is the LAST CHOICE of
all the desireds in that room.

In this event, the presenter had better keep a sufficient supply
of cloves to replenish the fruit, or is liable to prove a human
hand grenade themself.

She Who Must Be Obeyed (at least here) has now spoken,

Magnus
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