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Re: Not about P's or R's
A quick response to Ellwood's precedence questions:
>Now I have a question. The normal precedence is as follows (I think)
>Patent of Arms (Laurel/Pelican/Knight)<<<Don't I wish??
>*Grant of Arms**
>Award of Arms
Herveus (or someone) can correct me (and doubtless will :-) but the
order is more like:
King & Queen
Princes & Princesses
<Royal ambassadors, I think>
Viscounty Rank (not that we have many around these parts)
Orders of Peerage (Laurel, Pelican, Chivalry)
persons with Grants of Arms
Kingdom awards (Pearl, Dolphin, Sea Stag)
I think that the landed Baronage comes between the Royal Peers and the
Orders of Peerage *while they are in office*. The Great Officers come
after the current Royalty but before the Royal Peers, I think.
All of the Peerages (both Royal and Orders) carry Arms by Letters
Patent (Patent of Arms).
>I've been told that a GoA outranks a Court Baroncy, yet it is not necessary
>to have a baroncy before having a GoA.
Yep. Although they frequently are awarded together.
>The GoA allows the bearer to
>be addressed as "The Honorable" <insert title here> So-and-so.
As much of an abomination as that title is, The Honorable Lady or Lord
So-and-so is commonly in use for persons with a Grant and no other
titles (also used in kingdoms such as Ansteorra where there are awards
that carry a Grant automatically).
>Is this true, and if not, do we have a listing of precedence somewhere?
The Order of Precedence is maintained and published every once in a
while - it hasn't been in a couple of years.
>Answers from a somewhere-in-betweener, and more questions from the
Answers from a non-stuffy Purist and occasional old-timer.