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The Merry Rose FAQ
Frequently Asked Questions for the Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside
by Lord Kendrick Wayfarer (mka Tanner Lovelace) lloovveellaaccee@@nneettccoomm..ccoomm
v1.2, 3 June 1996
This document is a list of the most Frequently Asked Questions on the
mailing list hosted at firstname.lastname@example.org (also known as the
Merry Rose Tavern at Cheapside, or simply, the Merry Rose). The mail-
ing list serves as a vehicle for discussion within the Kingdom of
Atlantia of the Society for Creative Anachronism. For more informa-
tion the reader is referred to the Frequently Asked Questions from the
Rialto (rec.org.sca). This document also contains Lady Anarra's Lit-
tle Book of List Etiquette.
11.. TThhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee TTaavveerrnn aatt CChheeaappssiiddee
11..11.. WWhhaatt iiss tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee?? WWhhaatt''ss iitt ffoorr??
The Merry Rose is what is normally called a mailing list or mail
exploder. People send messages to one central address, when then
turns around and resends that message out to a list of people that has
subscribed to the list. The Merry Rose exists to discuss topics of
interest to the Kingdom of Atlantia in the Society for Creative
Anachronism. The SCA is a non-profit, educational organization of
people that study the Middle Ages and Renaissance, and recreate those
parts we find interesting.
11..22.. WWhhyy iiss iitt ccaalllleedd tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee?? WWhhyy iiss iitt ssoommeettiimmeess ccaalllleedd
People in the SCA use a medieval name instead of their real name in
order to get more into the mindset of the past. This also extends to
other things that have to do with the SCA. The Merry Rose is
supposedly a tavern where people gather to gossip and exchange ideas.
It is sometimes called Cheapside because when we were deciding on a
name, everyone had a suggestion and they sort of all got combined
together. Cheapside is a section of London and the Merry Rose Tavern
is located there.
11..33.. HHooww ddoo II ppoosstt ttoo tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee?? WWhhyy ddoonn''tt ssoommee ooff mmyy ppoossttss mmaakkee
iitt ttoo tthhee lliisstt??
To post messages to the Merry Rose they must be sent to
email@example.com. This will resend them to everyone on the
list, including yourself, if you are on the list.. You don't have to
be on the list to send to it, but if you aren't then you won't know
whether your post made it or not. When you receive a post from the
list and you try to reply to it, you must make sure that the address
it is going to is firstname.lastname@example.org. Some mailers try to send
it back to email@example.com. This address doesn't go
to the list, it only goes to the list administrators. You can also
send mail to firstname.lastname@example.org and it will go to the
11..44.. HHooww ddoo II ssuubbssccrriibbee ttoo tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee?? HHooww ddoo II uunnssuubbssccrriibbee??
All subscription and unsubscription requests must go to
email@example.com. Sending an request to the list, will not
subscribe or unsubscribe you. The best way to subscribe is to send
the following message to firstname.lastname@example.org:
This tells the Majordomo software, which may process many mailing
lists, that you want to subscribe to the list named atlantia. The
software will then automatically pick up your address and subscribe
you to the list. If you need to subscribe to another address than
where you are sending from you must structure the message the follow-
subscribe atlantia <e-mail address@whereever>
Note that you must use angle brackets around the address. Other
types of brackets, or parentheses, will confuse the mailer. To unsub-
scribe to the list you just substitute the word "unsubscribe." When
you originally subscribe to the list, you will be sent a message
telling you exactly how to unsubscribe. It is your responsibility to
keep this message and refer to it if you ever want to unsubscribe.
11..55.. HHooww ddoo II aadddd mmyy SSCCAA nnaammee ttoo tthhee lliissttiinngg aalloonngg wwiitthh mmyy ee--mmaaiill
The last place the list was hosted allowed people to add comments
besides their e-mail address to the main list, but our current place
uses a newer version of the software that is set to strip those
comments out, and only keep the e-mail address. This is done because
many times those comments were not formatted correctly and just ended
up being problems for the list administrators.
11..66.. WWhhaatt aarree tthheessee ffoouurr lliinneess aatt tthhee eenndd ooff eevveerryy mmeessssaaggee??
The Majordomo software that we are using has been configured to add
these four lines to the end of every message sent out in order to
remind people the correct procedure for unsubscribing to the list.
When you quote someone's message in a reply, you should take care to
delete those four lines so they won't end up in the message twice (or
11..77.. WWhhyy iissnn''tt tthheerree aa ddiiggeesstt ffoorr tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee??
There is not a digest yet, but the possibility is being investigated.
11..88.. WWhheerree ccaann II ggeett bbaacckk ppoossttss ffrroomm tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee??
All post from the Merry Rose are archived and can be found by
anonymous ftp at ftp://www.pbm.com/pub/sca/atlantia/atlantia-
l/archive/. If you don't know how to access anonymous ftp, contact
your system administrator. Posts are archived by month and are
compressed using the Gnu zip format. Most all gnu software can be
found at the main gnu ftp site: prep.ai.mit.edu.
11..99.. AAmm II aalllloowweedd ttoo ppuubblliisshh MMeerrrryy RRoossee ppoossttiinnggss iinn oouurr nneewwsslleetttteerr??
The legalities of copyright ownership in an electronic medium are
currently murky. In countries that are signatories to the Berne
Convention (which includes the USA and Canada), text is copyrighted
from the moment of creation. However, text submitted to newsgroups
and digests mmaayy be different, as it is intended for a wide
distribution. There is no clear answer in the USA at the present
time. The polite thing to do, regardless of whether a lawyer would
tell you it is necessary, is contact the author(s) of the article(s)
in question, and ask for permission to publish. Abide by their
wishes. Assuming permission is given, you (or your chronicler)
probably want to save a hardcopy of the message giving you permission.
11..1100.. IIss tthheerree aa bbaaddggee ffoorr tthhee MMeerrrryy RRoossee ppeeooppllee??
There is an unofficial badge that was presented to Lord Kendrick
Wayfarer at the Storvik Baronial Investiture in March of 1995. The
((ffiieellddlleessss)) OOnn tthhee sseeeeddss ooff aa rroossee bbaarrbbeedd aanndd sseeeeddeedd pprrooppeerr,,
iinn ffeessss ttwwoo rroouunnddeellss iinn ppaallee,, aa bbiilllleett ffeesssswwiissee aanndd aann
iinnccrreesscceenntt,, aallll ssaabbllee..
which is heraldese for a rose with a smiley on it. :-) There have
been rumors of badges to be made, but as of yet none have surfaced.
11..1111.. WWhhyy ddoo II kkeeeepp hheeaarriinngg aabboouutt aa nnoorrtthheerrnn pprriinncciippaalliittyy??
The topic of a principality in the northern reaches of Atlantia is one
that seems to crop up every now and then. This list was created in
the midst of some of these talks and therefore received a lion's share
of posts on it near the beginning. That has since tapered off, but
you may still hear people talk about it now and then. Apparently this
issue is able to galvanize people on both sides into almost despising
the people on the other, while those who don't feel strongly either
way get caught in the middle.
22.. LLaaddyy AAnnaarrrraa''ss LLiittttllee BBooookk ooff LLiisstt EEttiiqquueettttee ;;))
The Society for Creative Anachronism revolves around ideals of
Chivalry and Honor. Etiquette is merely an extension of those ideals.
When posting to the list, please bear these simple rules in mind:
Trim the message you are replying to. In other words, do not quote the
entire message then tack your message on to the end. This is extremely
annoying! Instead, cut all but the relevant part of the post and add
your reply to that.
Add substance to the discussion. Resist the impulse to post a "Me too"
or "I agree" message to the list. If you agree, state some reasons
why. Add value.
Stay on topic. If your reply drifts the discussion from the original
topic, change the subject line to reflect that. Many people delete
mail un-read based on the subject line. If you've got inspirational
things to say about Viking Longship construction, make sure your
subject line doesn't say "(SILLY) Hagar the Horrible!"
Post items of general interest to the list. Send personal notes to
"Mary, remember that discussion we had last week?"
"Lady Mary and I were discussing exactly the same thing last
week and we thought..."
is very appropriate.
Make sure your message is addressed ONLY to the list. There are few
things more annoying or wasteful of disk space than getting two (or
more!) copies of every message! If your e-mail program automatically
replies to all then make sure you delete the person's personal address
(or delete the list address if it's a personal message).
Be polite. It seems like it wouldn't be necessary to say this in an
SCA FAQ. Unfortunately it is. The print-only medium of the e-mail
environment makes misunderstandings common. The reply feature makes
angry posts easy to send. Re-read your post before you send it. Would
you say that to the person's face? In front of someone who's good
opinion you value? Assume there has been a misunderstanding and strive
to correct it.
"Do you really mean to say that East Kingdom Sheep are supe-
rior to Atlantian ones?"
is MUCH better than
"You idiot! How dare you insult Atlantia's sheep! You should
be thrown out of the Order of the Hooked Crook immediately!"
If you have a problem with a post or poster, send a private message.
Posting chastising messages in public does not help to solve the
Do not post private e-mail on a public forum without permission from
"Lord John wrote to me the other day that he liked court."
"Lord John wrote to me the other day: 'I like court because
I can get in a good nap.'"
is not appropriate.
Realize that a majority of the Atlantian populace does not have access
to the Merry Rose. Issues discussed here cannot turn into 'decisions'
without input from the rest of the kingdom. The Merry Rose
supplements, not replaces, conventional means of communication.
Make sure you're sending posts in ASCII and not with foreign
characters like accents and umlauts. Many American mail programs
cannot read non-ASCII characters.
Finally - enjoy the discussions generated here. Share them with your
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