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Re: Magnus' letter
David KUIJT wrote:
> Dafydd ap Gwystl greets ... the 45-zillion people on this CC:list.
> Kate, if the letter from Magnus was a private one (i.e., not CC: the
> principality list) you should not have quoted it directly on the
> principality list when you decided to bring it to a larger forum. I would
> have been much happier never having read the note exactly as it was
That letter was never supposed to be on the principality list. I wrote
simply to reply to Kate about her reply to Bryce, and I copied the
Royals simply to show that Bryce is not alone in his opinions. He did
address the crowns in his poem. However, I did have the grace to keep it
off a wider forum, including the Merryrose and the TNNP list.
> However, having read it, I feel I must respond.
> Magnus, you made a number of personal comments regarding me in your note.
> You said you wonder at my motives, and cast aspersions on my high regard
> for Atlantia.
> I am sorry you did not feel able to express yourself to me directly. You
> are an honest person; I would have hoped that you would be willing to talk
> to me before slamming me and my motives to others.
Honestly, I am not pleased with what you are trying to do, but you seem
much intent on doing it. Initiating an argument about it would serve no
purpose I can see. It is very hard for me to go from admiration of you
a very capable craftsman/peer/knight to discussing my thorough dislike
seeing Atlantia split in two with the primary architect who appears to
pushing this so hard. I have always been very proud of Atlantia.
> My motives are, and have been, quite clear. I think that the principality
> is a good idea. I have been working in a very public fashion to convince
> others of the same. What, exactly, do you doubt?
We in the South have heard this principality business discussed many
over the last few years, and generally it seems to be centered on
and the surrounding area. It seems very exclusive. When Storvik alone
300 members many years ago, Windmasters had less than 40. Now we have
grown, and that area is still the dominant one. While Atlantia continues
struggle to expand in many other southern areas, you want to separate.
Putting a line in the middle of the population will not help the people
south of it in any way I can see, but I can see the southlands here
suffering for their perceived exclusion if nothing else. Look at how
startup shires never make it. There are a lot of names that never made
on the list or simply disappeared because surrounding areas did not
support them enough. The struggle alone was too hard. Once your
principality is established, and those within it get that "special
just how many will really think of those outside it the same way?
Less I'll bet. Will you still travel? For how long? I recall someone
writing about being asked if the South could survive if the principality
happened. Clearly the idea had occurred to them both, for good reason.
> I am sorry that you cannot mesh the idea of love of Atlantia and support
> for a northern principality within your own mind. The fact that you
> cannot conceive it does not make it false.
> Magnus, the fact that I favour something that you think will be dangerous
> to Atlantia does not make me suddenly become the Antichrist.
I don't believe Antichrist was mentioned at all. I am concerned with
I see as happening to our kingdom. It was supposed to be a private
Kate should not have forwarded it to the list.
> Why didn't
> you ask me about it? By your own admission you have read the website;
Actually, no, I read what you put on the Merryrose, and listened to what
others had to say. With my disability I have enough stress without
with reading the TNNP list too. I believe that a polling will show a
view than that list will, especially if broken down into areas.
> I know that you have sent me e-mail many times in the past, why did you not
> speak to me, and say: "Dafydd, I see this as bad" ? I would not have been
> offended by your honesty and bluntness in a personal note. But I am very
> distressed that your opinion of me could be so changed, and yet you would
> not once speak to me about it. And even more distressed that you would
> speak so disparagingly about me and my motives to a third person without
> ever taking up the matter with me.
> Dafydd ap Gwystl
> Please, everyone, let us not demonize people who disagree with us. The
> fact that someone else has a different idea does not make them evil.
I don't dislike you, I dislike what I see you as doing, and you seem so
adamant about doing it that discussing it seemed out of the question. I
see what you are doing as divisive and not benefitting the rest of the
population. Used to thinking of the kingdom as a whole, I question
to be gained and why you want it so badly. I am loyal to the kingdom as
whole, and of course to my local barony, but that does not mean that I
to cut out the middle of the kingdom and slight the rest. In my view,
too many people I know have worked too hard for too long to build
to partition it. I am not thinking of "my" area, I am thinking of the
This view may make me unpopular with some, and I am sorry that your
feelings are hurt, but it is an opinion and an honest one. It was
never meant to be forwarded to this forum. Who has not an opinion about
politics and politicians? Is that not exactly what you are doing here?