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Poster: "herault" <herault@dasia.net>

..and let us not forget about the ANTI-pope(s) in France.  The actual
person(s) and time(s) escapes me at the moment but I'm certain it will come
back to me, someone else knows, or I will find that book I have just on the
Papacy.  The history of the Papacy is littered will internal struggles in
our Period.

Just a tidbit from one of those papists,

        Tomas

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Montuori <damont@wolfstar.com>
To: Michael Jeffrey Looney <barderic@mailcity.com>
Cc: Atlantia <atlantia@atlantia.sca.org>
Date: Sunday, April 11, 1999 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: Questions...


>
>Poster: Dave Montuori <damont@wolfstar.com>
>
>
>Scripsit Tristan:
>> When was the position of "Pope" created, and was it known by something
>> else before it was called "Pope"?
>
>"Blessed are you, Simon bar-Jona!... I tell you, you are Rock, and on this
>rock I shall build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail
>against it." Matthew 16, 17-18. Simon Peter was the leader of the early
>church; he eventually went to Rome and is recognized as the first Bishop
>of Rome. But according to Maurice Keen, the primacy of the see of Rome was
>for centuries a metter largely of honor, of being "first among equals"
>among the patriarchs. As much of the Mediterranean world fell under the
>influence of Islam, by the early 700's there were only two infleuntial
>patriarchates left: Rome and Constantinople. These both claimed primacy,
>not only of honor, but of authority in the whole Church. Pope Gregory I
>claimed that "The apostolic see [i.e. that of Rome] is the head of all the
>Churches." So the papacy, while created by Jesus, spent a looooong time
>evolving into its role as effective head of the whole Roman church.
>
>> And wasn't there something about a "Holy Roman Emperior" that ruled over
>> the Catholic faith in period??
>
>The Holy Roman Emperor was a secular office. Granted, there was a lot more
>overlap between secular and religious authority then, but the Emperor
>never claimed dominion over matters of doctrine. The back-and-forth
>struggle for control between the Papacy and the Empire from the mid-1000's
>on is one the most tangled soap operas in history. Check it out.
>
>Evan
>
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