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Re: Northern pricipality

I feel that I must add my voice to that of Aislynn's.  For those of you who
don't know me, I have served this Kingdom since before it was a Kingdom...as
have many others.  I have, as I noted in a private missive to Byrum, served
in every capacity from Great Officer to Order Principal to Master Cook to
kitchen drudge (a very honorable occupation, I might add).  I presently serve
as Baroness of a Barony I helped to found...again as a service to my
Kingdom.  If I thought for a minute that there was any truth to the idea
that, in forming a northern principality, we were tearing the Kingdom apart,
I would withdraw my support immediately.  But I do not believe such is the
case.  I know the people who are involved in this effort and know them to be
honorable people who care a great deal about what happens to Atlantia.  I
also know that it is not the intent of most of us involved in this to go
Kingdom any time in the forseeable future.  I also know that we have no
intentions of withdrawing our support from the rest of the Kingdom.  That
would limit us to just one area rather than being able to see those from the
other areas that we consider to be dear friends.

Also I agree with Aislynn that it is a direct insult to the good people of
the southern and central regions of Atlantia to suppose that , even if the
northern region were to suddenly drop off into the ocean tomorrow, that the
Kingdom of Atlantia would not still be a viable entity.  My Lord, you
belittle yourself and your fellows a great deal!  I have travelled throughout
the southern and central regions and have seen the skills and abilities of
the folk who live there...I've watched tourneys and seen marvelous
fighters...I've seen exhibitions of arts and sciences that could put the rest
of the known world to shame...I've worked in many kitchens in your part of
our Kingdom and know that the cooks have no equal anywhere.

Please, my lord, don't accuse us of what you are not able to back up with
anything except heresay, because that's what it is!  Just to give you an
example:  some years back, I got a phone call from a dear friend in
Windmaster's Hill who was very perturbed with me.  She was upset because I
had not called her and told her that Phillip and I were expecting a child.
It seems that someone had stood up in a Windmaster's Baronial meeting and
announced the fact (or the supposed fact).  Those who know us know that I was
not then and have not been in such a condition since (my loss, I'm sure).  I
was flabbergasted, to say the least...and that announcement had absolutely no
ground in the truth.  I'm sure you're familiar with the old "gossip"
game...same principal applies here...especially as there are those who are
opposed to the idea and want to paint it in the worst possible light.  Before
you start accusing us of something, take time to hear both sides of the

Pray believe that I remain,

Yours in service...

Minowara Kiritsubo,
  Baroness Dun Carraig
  PEL, CP, CGD, etc.

Spears, Kate wrote:

> I am truly sorry that incorrect information was put forth as fact
> before a group of people.  As I stated in an earlier post to the
> principality list, I have never before heard the two year time line
> discussed in Windmasters.  And since I take the meeting minutes, I pay
> closer attention than most.
> I don't know who thinks that the "south" cannot "stand on their own",
> but I see two problems with that statement:
> 1-A Principality is still part of it's Kingdom:  They still owe
> allegiance to the Crowns and will still serve the Crowns -The "south"
> will not be alone.  And contrary to what you've heard, we're not going
> anywhere.
> 2-Whoever said that has much less faith in the peers, fighters, and
> artisans in the areas outside of the TNNP than I do.  It does them a
> grave disservice, and is a slap in the face to their honor and skills.
>  There are many dozens of peers and others to lead and teach in VA,
> NC, and SC (and GA).  Talented people, from whom I have learned much,
> and hope to continue to learn from.
> As for the movement being centered on one group, that is simply not
> the case.  People from  Bright Hills, Highland Foorde, Lochmere, Dun
> Carriag, Stierbach, Ponte Alto, and yes, Storvik, are all working
> together on this proposal.  And folk from these groups are from a
> variety of backgrounds, including different households, peers and
> non-peers, fighters, artisans, and bureaucrats (e.g. seneschals,
> exchequers, etc).
> I recognize that one message is not enough to  change what are clearly
> deeply felt convictions, but I hope I have given you some much-needed
> correct information.
> Yours in Service
> Aislynn
> Ponte Alto
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   magnusm@ncsu.edu [SMTP:magnusm@ncsu.edu]
> Sent:   Tuesday, February 17, 1998 10:38 PM
> To:     Spears, Kate
> Cc:     brycedebyram@hotmail.com; King@atlantia.sca.org; seonaid@juno.com
> Subject:        Re: Northern pricipality
> Spears, Kate wrote:
> >
> > Poster: "Spears, Kate" <KSpears@fdic.gov>
> >
> > I am sorry you see us as wanting to leave the kingdom;
> Magnus Malleus replies:
> Just so you'll know - What Bryce said is exactly the way some of
> us in the South see this. He's not alone. I am not that eloquent
> so I'll be more direct and openly honest. I'll spare the
> Merryrose this. Further on I'm sure it will be discussed there.
> At the Windmasters' Hill Baronial Meeting we were informed by a
> very senior old member of the kingdom that it is TNNP's intention
> to go Kingdom within two years. There were about 80 people there
> last month. (We've read Daffyd's dissertation about the East
> Kingdom's problems and spalling off new kingdoms.) We were also
> informed that the South is probably too deficient in peers to
> survive as a kingdom. You also have the greatest population
> concentration. So our votes may not count as much in the poll.
> You may very well outvote us in this matter.
> Thank you all for thinking of us. Why should those of us down
> here want to start all over trying to build and save our
> kingdom because your interests are so self-involved? I remember
> when this kingdom was 'trying to survive' the first couple of
> years.
> I very much held Daffyd in high regard until all this got started.
> Frankly, we admired him. Now I wonder at his motives.
> I can't see anything good of this coming for the southern half
> and a great deal of harm and hurt feelings the farther south you
> go. I could certainly understand if SC split off to go with
> Meridies or Trimaris they are so thinly spread down there. To me,
> after 16 years, it still looks like another case of Storvik centered
> oneupsmanship. Your engineer hasn't considered the rest of
> us and it looks like your train is going to go where it wants to.
> The rest of the kingdom may be pulled apart like a flower's petals.
> Those of us in NC will survive because we have the numbers, but
> principally in the middle two quarters of the state. If we had
> twice the numbers down here it might be feasible, not now at all.
> Personally, I despise and resent the whole proposal.
> It seems like rape, or treachery, *not* love of Atlantia at all.
> When Daffyd says he *loves* Atlantia now he makes my skin crawl.
> This is not meant to insult you personally, merely a statement
> of how some of us see it. So don't be individually hurt by
> my opinion, but it's how I honestly feel about the proposal.
> Bryce is right. It is not fair to the rest of the kingdom, and
> it will pull us apart. Damn the principality. Support Atlantia.
> Don't tear her heart out - that's what you're doing, admittedly
> or not. There can be no other legitimate reason for the TNNP.
> Magnus Malleus, OL, etc.,  Windmasters' Hill and the GDHorde
>  - normally not argumentative in the least, and WE have
> supported this kingdom for 16 years, making a library and
> until very recently an armory available (to be back on line)
> on a weekly basis all that time to all those who needed them.